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Green Power Takes Root in the Chinese Desert

NEW YORK TIMES -- DUNHUANG, China — As the United States takes its first steps toward mandating that power companies generate more electricity from renewable sources, China already has a similar requirement and is investing billions to remake itself into a green energy superpower.

Through a combination of carrots and sticks, Beijing is starting to change how this country generates energy. Although coal remains the biggest energy source and is almost certain to stay that way, the rise of renewable energy, especially wind power, is helping to slow China’s steep growth in emissions of global warming gases.

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jjjleblanc Champion Author Rochester Posts:1,432 Points:464,755 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Jul 6, 2009 8:05:14 PM Ignore jjjleblanc Report Abuse They have enough money to do anything they want.
honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:8,092 Points:453,235 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jul 6, 2009 4:02:13 AM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse Revlaws: nope, that came long before... the current administration is trying to correct problems that have arisen from long before.
honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:8,092 Points:453,235 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jul 6, 2009 4:00:03 AM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse Ltdc: you're right. Anything they can clean up in China helps everyone.
honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:8,092 Points:453,235 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jul 6, 2009 3:59:29 AM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse they're quick learners. Took the US 100 years to demand renewables, Europe about 85 years.
Ltdc Champion Author Long Island Posts:1,525 Points:553,845 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Jul 6, 2009 3:43:40 AM Ignore Ltdc Report Abuse They are not immune to the effects of dirty air. With the size of their economy they will help the entire world.
Blue48 Champion Author Illinois Posts:1,864 Points:495,965 Joined:Feb 2007	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 8:18:49 PM Ignore Blue48 Report Abuse GOOD FOR THE RED!
skybiker Champion Author South Carolina Posts:2,552 Points:495,380 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 10:22:29 AM Ignore skybiker Report Abuse Joesk1 wanted to know if anyone had an explanation for Global Warming. Here is mine. Global Warming In the late 50's I had visited The Museum of Science and Industry and took a little interactive electronic cancer questionnaire. It gauged your risk percentage of developing cancer over your lifetime. To my surprise, one of the questions was " Are You a Commercial Flight Crew Member?" If you answered yes, it raised your risk level percentage. Later the explanation was that cancer increased because the crew's ionizing radiation exposure was above the general population. Now remember jets were about only 1 year into the industry, so these values were based mostly on propeller airplane travel. Fast Forward to the 90's when I started flying wide body's overseas and I became interested in the risk of cosmic radiation exposure for high altitude long haul flight crews. Out of curiosity I subscribed to Rice Universities Solar Flare project. Rice U would send me email alerts every time there was unusual solar activity. During solar flares crew cosmic radiation exposure can increase 10 fold. I was interested in getting info about solar activity during my long all night flights . Not sure what I could do about it, but I wanted to know. What did I notice? Almost 3 time a week I would get a Red Alert or Yellow Alert email from Rice. This was unheard of. This was not normal. This went on for months and years during the mid to late 90's. It was very unusual( No I didn't buy a lead helmet). But why do I tell you this? The reason I bring this all up is to say that during extreme solar wind activity the sun runs hotter than normal. Hotter Sun means more heat radiation reaches earth as well. So is there Global Warming? You Betcha! But it's not your SUV that's doing it.Regards,
matifu Veteran Author Florida Posts:319 Points:79,365 Joined:Mar 2009	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 8:34:34 AM Ignore matifu Report Abuse China has the money, we made them big financially too. Now it is too late.
REVLAW Champion Author San Antonio Posts:4,510 Points:857,225 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 8:24:00 AM Ignore REVLAW Report Abuse Odd how china is becoming the "world's" most sensible "super-power" and the U.S.A. is becoming a "bench warmer". Wonder if the current "tyranny" in charge has anything to do with the change in events.
Jeepp Champion Author Boston Posts:1,320 Points:380,140 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 8:21:34 AM Ignore Jeepp Report Abuse We need to be moving faster in this direction. Picken's Plan will work.
TRAIN RIDER Champion Author San Bernardino Posts:3,415 Points:1,626,060 Joined:Oct 2004	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 8:20:05 AM Ignore TRAIN RIDER Report Abuse HOW MUCH ARE THEIR ENERGY COSTS GOING TO RISE ALSO. THEY ARE POURING BILLIONS INTO THIS. THEY MUST HAVE A LOT OF SURPLUS MONEY (THEY GET IT FROM ALL OF THE MANUFACTURING THEY HAVE TAKEN AWAY FROM US) SINCE THEY ALSO HAVE LOANED US THE MONEY FOR OUR STIMULUS PACKAGE WHICH STILL ISN'T WORKING SINCE WE HAVE MORE UNEMPLOYMENT SINCE OBAMA HAS TAKEN OFFICE AND THE DEBT HASN'T GONE UP THIS FAST ON ANYONE ELSES WATCH.
Bill68Prius Champion Author Maryland Posts:3,307 Points:603,900 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 8:19:59 AM Ignore Bill68Prius Report Abuse I think India is already onboard. http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2008/04/renewable-energy-holds-promising-future-in-india-52214 When will the USA catch up to them? http://www.chillibreeze.com/articles/SolarCookersinIndia.asp
Don20 Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:3,847 Points:1,470,185 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 8:19:48 AM Ignore Don20 Report Abuse I would not trust China to do anything, am sure they will make it look good on the surface but under all that will be the old China...
Chazzy12 Champion Author Massachusetts Posts:1,969 Points:384,340 Joined:Dec 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 8:18:53 AM Ignore Chazzy12 Report Abuse China, the Earth, North America and everyone down wind thanks you.
rtw777 Champion Author Florida Posts:3,503 Points:686,850 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 8:18:05 AM Ignore rtw777 Report Abuse Neither the NYT or China can be trusted.
Theczecho Champion Author Long Island Posts:1,547 Points:445,030 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 8:17:20 AM Ignore Theczecho Report Abuse I'll believe it when I see it.
eddyp94 Champion Author Ontario Posts:3,279 Points:695,235 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 8:16:55 AM Ignore eddyp94 Report Abuse china does everything we do but cheaper...
Wesk8 All-Star Author Michigan Posts:809 Points:488,010 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 8:14:28 AM Ignore Wesk8 Report Abuse The world hasn't seen a technology revolution this big since the industrial revolution. Apparently China has figured that out. Lead, Follow or get out of the way. Oh well, maybe the US can get back on top with the NEXT global technology revolution in about 100 years or so. A BIG Flying Fickle Finger award to all the Hummer loving obstructionists out there!
jakTDI Champion Author Dallas Posts:2,757 Points:260,390 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 8:14:02 AM Ignore jakTDI Report Abuse if they could just stop using lead in their toys.
skyhawkcam All-Star Author Richmond Posts:972 Points:419,770 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 8:12:15 AM Ignore skyhawkcam Report Abuse Maybe there is hope, if we can convince the true polluters of the world, China and India, to stoppumping so much greenhouse gases into the atmosphere.
CharlieC08 Champion Author Colorado Posts:2,918 Points:473,145 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 8:10:59 AM Ignore CharlieC08 Report Abuse China's needs and the needs of the US are a bit different.
Number43 Champion Author Lexington Posts:2,608 Points:505,370 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 8:08:56 AM Ignore Number43 Report Abuse It's about time. Now if only India would climb on board.
CptnCanada Champion Author Saskatoon Posts:1,921 Points:283,800 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 8:07:57 AM Ignore CptnCanada Report Abuse ASIA is the most polluted spot in the world...they should be leading the green revolution.. not lagging behind.
rtw777 Champion Author Florida Posts:3,503 Points:686,850 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 8:06:47 AM Ignore rtw777 Report Abuse Cannot trust the Chinese.
Hunter114 Champion Author Chicago Posts:2,086 Points:313,295 Joined:Apr 2009	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 8:05:05 AM Ignore Hunter114 Report Abuse Going green should be gradual, not sudden. Achieving it through a socialist government is not the way to do it.
JadeKY Champion Author Louisville Posts:2,885 Points:575,605 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:58:04 AM Ignore JadeKY Report Abuse We need to fully develop earth-magnet generators to replace all these coal fired power plants. To do otherwise is irresponsible.
jimshell Champion Author Pennsylvania Posts:1,357 Points:326,460 Joined:Sep 2004	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:58:02 AM Ignore jimshell Report Abuse If Obama has his way the US will be a socialistic state soon enough then the government will tell you want you're going to do.
tankneverfull Champion Author Charlotte Posts:3,331 Points:651,395 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:57:36 AM Ignore tankneverfull Report Abuse For years China watched and learned from the US, how to do and not do things. Now maybe it is our turn to watch and learn.
StuCoFromage37 All-Star Author Illinois Posts:689 Points:109,055 Joined:May 2009	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:57:21 AM Ignore StuCoFromage37 Report Abuse There are some very greedy people around...
w4kh Champion Author Riverside Posts:5,971 Points:1,099,395 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:54:57 AM Ignore w4kh Report Abuse The US has far too many whiny people with greedy lawyers who make Not In My Back Yard a VERY COSTLY IMPEDIMENT TO PROGRESS... And because the government is ruled by lawyers, we don't do much about it... I wonder if lawyers could be composted into a reliable (and certainly renewable) fuel source? ;)
Dennis783 Champion Author Wisconsin Posts:7,909 Points:1,578,440 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:54:35 AM Ignore Dennis783 Report Abuse ok...
NatureBoyKY Champion Author Kentucky Posts:1,434 Points:505,365 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:51:07 AM Ignore NatureBoyKY Report Abuse The most people in the world tend to generate the most pollution. If China does not try to reduce, then there is no need for the EU and NA to try anything as India and China together make NA/USA mute.
rvn4me Champion Author Texas Posts:1,120 Points:380,370 Joined:Jan 2009	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:48:05 AM Ignore rvn4me Report Abuse This is just a story to get the United States off their backs for polluting more than any other country.
jjw0608 Champion Author Milwaukee Posts:2,761 Points:879,740 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:46:33 AM Ignore jjw0608 Report Abuse Lets all go to China!
GassyKat Champion Author Wisconsin Posts:7,619 Points:1,513,670 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:45:04 AM Ignore GassyKat Report Abuse The wind must be pretty thick around some of their cities, at the moment. Hope the work on burning their coal cleaner, as well.
RoadhogMA Champion Author Boston Posts:1,218 Points:305,660 Joined:Dec 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:38:49 AM Ignore RoadhogMA Report Abuse France is ahead all of us with Nukes
VetteBlue Champion Author San Jose Posts:4,716 Points:970,645 Joined:Jan 2007	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:38:24 AM Ignore VetteBlue Report Abuse So good news from China. Not a lot lately.
yukonjack Champion Author Georgia Posts:3,698 Points:1,016,825 Joined:Oct 2004	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:38:00 AM Ignore yukonjack Report Abuse Does this mean that China is going to paint all it's smog-covered cities green? :)
mysub Champion Author Las Vegas Posts:3,413 Points:1,187,890 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:37:28 AM Ignore mysub Report Abuse Good for them.
MightyDude Champion Author Minnesota Posts:4,436 Points:1,496,245 Joined:Mar 2003	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:36:23 AM Ignore MightyDude Report Abuse lets hope it grows
kjuzenas Veteran Author Nebraska Posts:278 Points:72,470 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:36:04 AM Ignore kjuzenas Report Abuse About time--China is one of the biggest polluters on the planet.
arnerator Champion Author Seattle Posts:2,340 Points:478,585 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:35:44 AM Ignore arnerator Report Abuse Incredible that they are into that.
Badmoon Champion Author Massachusetts Posts:2,449 Points:498,915 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:33:41 AM Ignore Badmoon Report Abuse Every little bit helps.
must87searcher Champion Author Maryland Posts:3,271 Points:634,035 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:30:39 AM Ignore must87searcher Report Abuse Looks like China knows how to use other resources for fuel serperated for fossil fuel.
repeater1 Champion Author Kansas Posts:2,562 Points:1,226,460 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:27:44 AM Ignore repeater1 Report Abuse It's a start. Will be interesting to see where it finishes and how long it takes.
hybridaholic Champion Author Wisconsin Posts:2,429 Points:416,510 Joined:Dec 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:27:30 AM Ignore hybridaholic Report Abuse Can you say nuclear
GasholeMI Champion Author Lansing Posts:4,385 Points:583,615 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:26:40 AM Ignore GasholeMI Report Abuse I highly doubt that the Chinese are going to raise utility prices to its citizens and dampen its recession.
ladyjj Champion Author Tennessee Posts:14,875 Points:427,710 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:26:02 AM Ignore ladyjj Report Abuse They Pollute the air over their more than we ever have over here that is for sure! Talk about smog!
bikechuck Champion Author Indianapolis Posts:1,495 Points:920,070 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:24:37 AM Ignore bikechuck Report Abuse I hope they can 'clean up' their act. If coal is good enough for them, why not us? Indiana and midwest states supposedly are going to be hurt the most by cap and trade legislation.
Ringmaster2008 Champion Author Ontario Posts:2,077 Points:377,060 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Jul 5, 2009 7:22:05 AM Ignore Ringmaster2008 Report Abuse We all have to try