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Times Reporter : Energy leaders defend fracking

Times Reporter -- Hydraulic fracturing has been used about 80,000 times to drill wells in Ohio during the past 60 years, and there have been no instances of water contamination as a result, says the head of an oil-and-gas education program.

“Well construction has been the issue, not hydraulic fracturing,” said Rhonda L. Reda, executive director of the Ohio Oil and Gas Energy Education Program.

Reda was among speakers featured Tuesday at a summit sponsored by the Tuscarawas Oil and Gas Alliance at the Performing Arts Center at Kent State Tuscarawas.

The hydraulic fracturing, or fracking, process was first used in Ohio for a well drilled near East Sparta in 1952, according to Robert Chase, chairman of the Department of Petroleum Engineering and Geology at Marietta College.

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Submitted Jun 24, 2012 By: drpepperTX

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niceguytx Champion Author Houston Posts:13,690 Points:2,711,785 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Jun 29, 2012 11:54:46 AM Ignore niceguytx Report Abuse That is good news.
sparky808 Champion Author Honolulu Posts:2,993 Points:596,760 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Jun 25, 2012 11:34:55 AM Ignore sparky808 Report Abuse Thank you for posting.
drpepperTX Champion Author Texas Posts:8,934 Points:751,010 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Jun 25, 2012 7:26:33 AM Ignore drpepperTX Report Abuse The bull feces deepens from the aviator: "Oh, and since there's been fracking since 1952, why didn't the oil and gas drillers frack the shale back then? Did they not use back then these wonderful proprietary fracking fluids which make the process much more cost effective now? If they want to frack, they can do it with just water and sand. Leave the witches brew in the cauldron." ================================================ Wrong again, but we've come to expect that from those that choose ignorance over learning the facts. study up and get back to us......
drpepperTX Champion Author Texas Posts:8,934 Points:751,010 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Jun 25, 2012 7:23:28 AM Ignore drpepperTX Report Abuse More BS from aviator rob: "Also, why exactly do the oil and gas drillers refuse to provide a list of which chemicals are in fracking fluid? Is it because those same chemicals seems to show up in the groundwater? Of course the lawyers will say, "That didn't come from us!" Really?! Well, where did it magically appear from?" ================================================ The ist can be found at this ful disclosure site. Show us a PROVEN case? My post below was directed at just this kind of fear mongering tactic used by those of your ilk.
drpepperTX Champion Author Texas Posts:8,934 Points:751,010 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Jun 25, 2012 7:20:02 AM Ignore drpepperTX Report Abuse @ aviator rob who opines "Have you ever seen an oil and gas driller without a small entourage of lawyers, drpepperTX? With enough marketing, public relations, and lawyers, they can convince anyone that the sky is green and it's good for you!" ======================================= What a load of crap! Have you ever seen the army of lawyers for Sierra Club, Green Peace and the EPA? How about hospitals, drug companies, heck any industry for that matter? You're arguments are weak and based in factless emotion and have done nothing but aid and abet today's litiguous society.
remay Champion Author Houston Posts:6,953 Points:2,115,440 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Jun 25, 2012 4:57:14 AM Ignore remay Report Abuse Hmmmm
tomok Champion Author Portland Posts:32,960 Points:2,343,560 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Jun 25, 2012 2:27:17 AM Ignore tomok Report Abuse Energy leaders defend fracking and their profits! When fracking operations have moved on to other areas and surface and ground waters are polluted, then what? We Didn't Do It! It must have been somebody else! Fracking sand and water contains pollutants released from the underground rock and brought to the surface: Lead, Methane, various gasses and chemicals and whatever else contained in the underground rock and sand deposits. The fracking water is not treated but released as is. Protect the surface and ground waters, people and animals at all times from fracking! And, Ohio has problems with increased earthquake activity when fracking water is injected in the ground. Whatever the size or shape of the vehicle, Produce and ‘Drive’ vehicles with high MPG, are very safe and reliable, have a ‘reasonable’ cost and a good ‘value’ for the money. Consider using other forms of less expensive transportation to lower your cost, if possible. The price of fuel at the pump is too high! 12/22/2012!
Aviator_Rob Champion Author New York Posts:3,795 Points:411,815 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Jun 24, 2012 11:02:17 PM Ignore Aviator_Rob Report Abuse Have you ever seen an oil and gas driller without a small entourage of lawyers, drpepperTX? With enough marketing, public relations, and lawyers, they can convince anyone that the sky is green and it's good for you! Also, why exactly do the oil and gas drillers refuse to provide a list of which chemicals are in fracking fluid? Is it because those same chemicals seems to show up in the groundwater? Of course the lawyers will say, "That didn't come from us!" Really?! Well, where did it magically appear from? Oh, and since there's been fracking since 1952, why didn't the oil and gas drillers frack the shale back then? Did they not use back then these wonderful proprietary fracking fluids which make the process much more cost effective now? If they want to frack, they can do it with just water and sand. Leave the witches brew in the cauldron.
NavyStore Champion Author Seattle Posts:3,860 Points:2,074,495 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Jun 24, 2012 10:35:02 PM Ignore NavyStore Report Abuse If the practice was still covered by the Clean Water Act, I wouldn't be that concerned. Unfortunately, it tends to be a huge polluter of ground water, as well as causing peoples wells to catch on fire...
drpepperTX Champion Author Texas Posts:8,934 Points:751,010 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Jun 24, 2012 10:13:56 PM Ignore drpepperTX Report Abuse And here we have aviator rob continuing with the propagation of baseless fear and paranoia. Funny the choice of words, defend? It's been proven safe but just like in the days of the Salem witch hunts the industry is guilty until proven innocent. You see, there is a huge amount of deceiving information spouted out to the public about hydraulic fracturing, a decades-old technology. Those who spread this misinformation are mostly preying on the public's fears, with an ultimate goal of forcing state governments to succumb to that fear and prevent or even ban hydraulic fracturing. We need to make sure that the discussion is productive, and that any rules are legitimately conceived. Fact must be separated from fiction. The most common claim talking point is that hydraulic fracturing contaminates ground water. This is baseless. Have you ever noticed that the critics who make that claim never provide concrete evidence? The reason for their omission? It is obvious why. After being used more than 1.2 million times there have been no confirmed cases of hydraulic fracturing contaminating water. None. Never. Ever. As EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson said in April of 2012, "In no case have we made a definitive determination that the fracking process has caused chemicals to enter groundwater." The three "smoking gun" cases that the anti-shale zealots were sinking their teeth into have proven false or based on very poor science. See Pavillion WY, Dimoch, PA, and Parker County, TX. Oh and the "evil Halliburton Loophole" talking point! LOL, what a joke. This is the errant claim born out of the yellow journalism of "gasland", a proven fraudulent film by Josh Fox, that hydraulic fracturing is "exempt" from the Safe Drinking Water Act, thanks to an energy bill passed by Congress in 2005. The truth??? SDWA has been the law of the land for nearly 40 years, and at no point has it ever covered hydraulic fracturing. Why??? States already tightly and effectively regulate the process. How can an industry be exempt from something that never covered you in the first place? But you hear this falsehood talking point most every time the subject comes up. It is important to rely on facts and science, not fear-mongering talking points.
Spankster85 Champion Author Chicago Posts:1,714 Points:354,890 Joined:Nov 2011	Message Posted: Jun 24, 2012 10:09:57 PM Ignore Spankster85 Report Abuse Frack that.
Aviator_Rob Champion Author New York Posts:3,795 Points:411,815 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Jun 24, 2012 10:08:19 PM Ignore Aviator_Rob Report Abuse Number43, people who want fracking should be forced to have a well on their land. You want the rewards? Then YOU assume the risks.
Aviator_Rob Champion Author New York Posts:3,795 Points:411,815 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Jun 24, 2012 10:06:28 PM Ignore Aviator_Rob Report Abuse How many cents per gallon is cancer worth to you, MrLuigi? People seem to be ready to roll the dice on riskier and riskier schemes to save less and less money. Isn't it great how business can prey on the American sense of optimism? Don't worry. Things will PROBABLY turn out okay. And if they don't, "Oh well, them's the breaks!"
DandyDapple All-Star Author North Dakota Posts:715 Points:309,320 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Jun 24, 2012 10:03:18 PM Ignore DandyDapple Report Abuse This is just plain fracked up ...
JoeKR Champion Author New Jersey Posts:9,463 Points:1,742,520 Joined:Feb 2006	Message Posted: Jun 24, 2012 10:02:56 PM Ignore JoeKR Report Abuse If it's ok with you, I'd just as soon let the critics prove fracking is safe!
regout Champion Author Quebec Posts:2,945 Points:830,755 Joined:May 2010	Message Posted: Jun 24, 2012 10:02:46 PM Ignore regout Report Abuse No fracking.
Aviator_Rob Champion Author New York Posts:3,795 Points:411,815 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Jun 24, 2012 10:02:37 PM Ignore Aviator_Rob Report Abuse Kwit yer yappin', PettyEddie2012? How about you post your address. That way we can pass it on to the oil and gas industry. You'll be getting a knock on your door in a few weeks by someone asking to drill on your property. I'm sure everything will be fine. Nothing to worry about. You trust them, right? Not so sure when it's YOUR backyard, huh?
PrinceLH Champion Author Ontario Posts:2,682 Points:536,095 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Jun 24, 2012 10:01:21 PM Ignore PrinceLH Report Abuse A reasonable risk.
jrsva Champion Author Virginia Posts:9,841 Points:1,611,050 Joined:Jan 2006	Message Posted: Jun 24, 2012 10:00:48 PM Ignore jrsva Report Abuse Sure hope it is safe since the drillers are going at it full bore. There should be no need to inject toxic chemicals into the ground just to fracture shale. The process would be more likely to be benign if the toxics were eliminated.
Hewy67 Sophomore Author Grand Rapids Posts:156 Points:442,795 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Jun 24, 2012 10:00:03 PM Ignore Hewy67 Report Abuse awe... frack
Aviator_Rob Champion Author New York Posts:3,795 Points:411,815 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Jun 24, 2012 9:59:58 PM Ignore Aviator_Rob Report Abuse Gotta love how people have fun with numbers. Only 0.49% of fracking fluid is something other than water or sand. That's great but that still equals 25,000 to 35,000 gallons of toxic additives being injected under pressure into the ground. How strong are those well casings, again? That fact remains that these toxic chemicals keep showing up in people's water supplies. The oil and gas industry is content to say, "It wasn't us!" Really? So who else is using fracking fluid?
granitestater Champion Author New Hampshire Posts:8,812 Points:1,428,800 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jun 24, 2012 9:54:23 PM Ignore granitestater Report Abuse '52? Sounds familiar. Hmmmmm...
MRHONEST Champion Author Illinois Posts:2,212 Points:1,674,080 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: Jun 24, 2012 9:54:17 PM Ignore MRHONEST Report Abuse Just great
PathTrack Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:1,202 Points:134,615 Joined:Jan 2005	Message Posted: Jun 24, 2012 9:52:56 PM Ignore PathTrack Report Abuse IT SHOULD NOT BE THAT DIFFICULT TO FIGURE OUT. DOES IT OR DOESN'T IT CONTAMINATE GROUND WATER?
PettyEddie2012 Champion Author New York City Posts:1,734 Points:347,415 Joined:May 2012	Message Posted: Jun 24, 2012 9:52:42 PM Ignore PettyEddie2012 Report Abuse We want it, we have to pay to get it. Kwit Yer Yappin'
MrLuigi Champion Author Massachusetts Posts:4,763 Points:964,735 Joined:Jun 2005	Message Posted: Jun 24, 2012 9:52:35 PM Ignore MrLuigi Report Abuse I'm all for it as well, if it wasn't there we'd surely be paying more for gas.
Bigtex09 Champion Author Dallas Posts:4,278 Points:1,157,335 Joined:Oct 2009	Message Posted: Jun 24, 2012 9:52:32 PM Ignore Bigtex09 Report Abuse Wow
gilfarm Champion Author Alabama Posts:6,786 Points:1,946,890 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Jun 24, 2012 9:49:21 PM Ignore gilfarm Report Abuse Did not know it was that old!
Red7002011 Champion Author Mississippi Posts:3,322 Points:666,770 Joined:Jul 2011	Message Posted: Jun 24, 2012 9:48:47 PM Ignore Red7002011 Report Abuse Really!
WinderGuy Champion Author Georgia Posts:2,859 Points:930,655 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Jun 24, 2012 9:47:54 PM Ignore WinderGuy Report Abuse Ok
bradley1969 Champion Author Wisconsin Posts:1,523 Points:328,305 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Jun 24, 2012 9:47:50 PM Ignore bradley1969 Report Abuse FRACK IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Toppers Champion Author Atlanta Posts:9,002 Points:2,468,745 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Jun 24, 2012 9:47:47 PM Ignore Toppers Report Abuse There needs to be more definitive answers
Beaveronparade Champion Author Hartford Posts:2,099 Points:633,180 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Jun 24, 2012 9:46:45 PM Ignore Beaveronparade Report Abuse I think there still needs to be more studies done to make sure this is safe.
min_fuel Champion Author Philadelphia Posts:1,956 Points:722,545 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Jun 24, 2012 9:41:40 PM Ignore min_fuel Report Abuse Have yet to hear of any problems form someone who has them.
Amanstrom Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:1,857 Points:536,930 Joined:Jul 2011	Message Posted: Jun 24, 2012 9:37:46 PM Ignore Amanstrom Report Abuse Interesting
Number43 Champion Author Lexington Posts:8,686 Points:1,636,220 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jun 24, 2012 9:37:13 PM Ignore Number43 Report Abuse THere should be a law on idiots trying to stop fracking.
Number43 Champion Author Lexington Posts:8,686 Points:1,636,220 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jun 24, 2012 9:36:16 PM Ignore Number43 Report Abuse If you do not like where the energy come from, choose not to use it.Turn off your computer,lights, TV ect and sit in the dark.Fracking is fine with me.
fuelsaverMN Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:2,282 Points:559,080 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Jun 24, 2012 9:35:18 PM Ignore fuelsaverMN Report Abuse THAT SHOULD BE THE LAW PERIOD ON FRACKING!!!!!
REKEY Champion Author South Carolina Posts:8,569 Points:1,697,465 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Jun 24, 2012 9:34:09 PM Ignore REKEY Report Abuse Oh course they do! Where does their drinking water come from?
LegoVasavouchi Champion Author Oklahoma Posts:1,659 Points:114,390 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Jun 24, 2012 9:33:18 PM Ignore LegoVasavouchi Report Abuse Fascinating.
Number43 Champion Author Lexington Posts:8,686 Points:1,636,220 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jun 24, 2012 9:33:15 PM Ignore Number43 Report Abuse Let the truth be told.
jdc17327 Champion Author Pennsylvania Posts:2,555 Points:197,690 Joined:May 2009	Message Posted: Jun 24, 2012 9:32:38 PM Ignore jdc17327 Report Abuse okay
tessnlu Champion Author Missouri Posts:24,196 Points:1,105,290 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Jun 24, 2012 9:32:16 PM Ignore tessnlu Report Abuse ok
MustangRacing Champion Author Virginia Posts:1,833 Points:647,510 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Jun 24, 2012 9:32:11 PM Ignore MustangRacing Report Abuse too late to post.
Point__man Champion Author Raleigh Posts:4,325 Points:875,745 Joined:Oct 2010	Message Posted: Jun 24, 2012 9:28:28 PM Ignore Point__man Report Abuse hope the end result isn't too bad ;)
CatMan623 Champion Author Houston Posts:16,355 Points:2,342,820 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Jun 24, 2012 9:27:02 PM Ignore CatMan623 Report Abuse Most of the folks complaining are the ones that are NOT receiving royalties. If they were, they'd back the frack.
WebGabe Champion Author Pennsylvania Posts:2,359 Points:494,670 Joined:Jun 2007	Message Posted: Jun 24, 2012 9:26:50 PM Ignore WebGabe Report Abuse ok
Tekkersmom57 Champion Author Syracuse Posts:1,869 Points:699,240 Joined:May 2010	Message Posted: Jun 24, 2012 9:25:48 PM Ignore Tekkersmom57 Report Abuse Great point, wz!
hauler43 Champion Author Oakland Posts:8,158 Points:2,597,750 Joined:Sep 2003	Message Posted: Jun 24, 2012 9:21:44 PM Ignore hauler43 Report Abuse Could just depend on the geology of the underground
Rans35PG Champion Author Modesto Posts:2,470 Points:994,000 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jun 24, 2012 9:21:09 PM Ignore Rans35PG Report Abuse more energy